Spiritual Vampire Sisters

I had heard about the Womens Circle for a while, and I began having more and more “friends” call me out of the blue to rave to me about the power of these circles inviting me in. Telling me stories of how it has freed them financially from the rat-race, sharing with me how they paid off their student loans, fixed their car, traveled to Bali and are even saving up to put a down-payment on a house from the gifts they have received. I was skeptical, but as time went on- it seemed that nearly every woman I knew was a part of these circles and I began to feel almost like an outsider for not choosing to join in.

I remember when I got 2 calls in a week to join in from some of my dearest friends. Two women who had completed circle more than 5 times- and assured me that it was safe, secure and that it was going to be the best decision I ever made. I finally decided to join in, and they said that they could “half-back-me if I joined that week”. I gave them my $2500 and then began joining in on the “life-changing-calls”. The first disappointment was the calls themselves. Everyone had raved about how amazing and healing the calls were, but these calls were just a bunch of egos practicing their spiritual-speeches. Everyone claimed to have some Native American roots, everyone was using the same terminology from “shit-new-age-girls-say”, and it felt like a terrible sitcom episode week after week. I only wish I had taped the shit coming out of some of these girls mouths- it’s up there with Keeping Up With The Kardashians. About 3 months into the grueling weekly calls, I got a call from the “sister” on Dessert- lets call her M. M is a professional seductress of sorts and within the hour  check in call- I found myself agreeing to cover the other half of my backing “until 2 of the other girls paid their portion”. I was assured that I would be getting it back in just a few weeks time and that it would speed the circle up which is what we wanted to have a successful circle, right?

I stupidly agreed, and sent another $2500. I had to send blank checks and cashier checks. Had to sign into encripted emails to have any conversations about the money, and still sit through the lengthy, nails-down-a-chalkboard-phone calls. I was shocked that no one else was speaking up trying to at least get some real conversations to take place. Did everyone really want to share again what “What does Sisterhood mean to you?”, and “What is your spirit animal and how does it show up for you?” again and again.

Months went on, and then M finished her dessert and I congratulated her and asked if she could give me my $2500 back as she had promised. She went on to say that the new Dessert “I” would have have to be the one to pay me that back. Soon, I began to be pressured to invite new women onto the circle, and each time I spoke up about the content of the calls, I was told to not project my own feelings into the calls, but just to “envision them being medicine for me, and to breakthrough my own blockages around inviting others into it.”

Soon, people began posting on facebook about the circles. When I began asking about some of the accusations to the women on top, they told me that it was rumors started by the men who were in our community that were just “jealous of the success of these women throughout the tribe. It made them feel inferior and un-needed. They were left out of the game, and women all around them were rising in their power and they were trying to dominate and stop this flow of abundance by infiltrating the system”. It became a call for the women to bind together even tighter and to hurry to bring as many other women into the circles as fast as possible. Certain men were even talked about on the calls negatively and women were told to look out for them- they couldn’t be trusted.

Soon, Circles were merging, and no one was telling us why. I finally had enough and asked to leave and asked for my money back. I was assured that I would receive my $5000 back if I wanted it but they kept saying- “You are so close to finishing, just find someone to take your place and they can split the money with you.” Eventually, another women in the circle found another sad soul to sit in my place on my dollar. It did’t make sense, but at least I didn’t have to sit though hours of spiritual-vampiric-bullshit each week. I was out, but the trust was broken. I had to move out of Grass Valley because I could hardly stand to be around the women who were supposed to be my sisters. I had women in my circle talking shit about me for leaving, saying that I weakened the circle and now things weren’t flowing as well.  I will never trust the women who brought me in, they have made no attempts to apologize or repay the debts.

Sure, people could say we should have known. But we didn’t. We got duped. We watched our closest friends come out on top with $40,000, $80,000 and $100,000 rewards. These were friends that I had for years. I trusted them. I believed them when they assured me and reassured me again and again. I believed them when shit started going public that it was just the guys trying to get involved by starting to create drama. I hadn’t heard women speaking up about it- and until now.. It had become shameful and something to just forget. If you lost money you felt fucking stupid for not knowing better. What is even more painful is that I watched all the women who joined into the circles last were the young, naive ones who just wanted to be a part of a circle of sisters. Who just wanted to have friends and who were easily duped because they were so trusting. That is the saddest part of all. Really good-hearted generous women who got their trust and their hearts trampled in all of this. It is devastating and I really do hope that the women who got paid out realize that the money they got is cursed now. They are financially karmically connected to fucking over sweethearted women, and banking on their kindness. I hope that just one of you has the guts to stand up and say- “I fucked up, I’m sorry, how can I help to make this shit right again”.  I dare you to be the first.

26 thoughts on “Spiritual Vampire Sisters

  1. Native bro. says:

    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for writing this on point essay.
    I have direct experience with this form of what the Hippies call “spiritual abundance” (code words for pooling large chunks of money and funneling it in to eachothers safari projects)….which would be cool and all but nearly everyone of the people I met were undercover ‘spiritualists’ who were really small time capitalists with Buddhist like costumes on and a healthy diet who look for every opportunity to co-opt Native culture and in the end profit off of it all the while using warm feely words like, “harmony, balance, abundance, blessings, and hummus”.
    Glad I didn’t put my own money in. Bailed after the head Hipster didn’t like what I was saying on the conference calls and that I could see right through him and his Pocahontas wife.

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  2. Tracey says:

    I did apologize and I gave the money back I received and I requested my money back from the original women I gave to. This is how we all can make it right and inspire and give other women the courage to do the same.

    I too was sucked in. I was invited by a friend whom I deeply trusted. I was told I would have the opportunity to meet lots of other amazing women. I was told I would get to partake in weekly spiritual calls where we would work together in raising our vibration. I was told we would have the opportunity to help less fortunate women. I was told it was legal. I was told it was not a pyramid scheme. I was told if something happened and I really really really needed to back out there were other women higher up that would help me and contribute the money in my space so that I could back out.

    Normally I would’ve never even considered doing anything like this but it was because of the friend who invited me that I considered. She was someone whom I deeply trusted and I believe she believed everything she was telling me. It so happened that my husband and I had just had received a small inheritance and we were looking for a place to put our money where we could make it grow. I was also feeling very isolated in the community at the time as a stay-at-home mom with very little opportunity to get out and spend time with other women. It felt like an opportunity to meet many needs so I agreed to join. After joining I was told that some people would not understand this type of work we were doing so I had to be very cautious to only share this with others whom I thought might be a good fit. Before long the pressure was put on to find another friend to invite. I immediately thought of a friend of mine whom I really wanted to help out and whom I also wanted to connect with more. I knew she didn’t have the money to join and I was told that I could pay for her and increase the money that I made in the end by receiving half of the money that she would receive when she made it to the top. It sounded like a great way to benefit us both. I told her about the circle and how excited I was and after putting some thought into it she agreed to join as well.

    We started on the weekly calls and again the pressure was put on for everyone to invite more women. When I was first invited I was told that the circles were moving pretty fast but after some time the circle did not seem to be moving as fast as we thought it would. There was an undercurrent of nervousness amongst the calls even though nobody outwardly spoke of it. Then my friend who had first invited me told me about another circle I could join that she said was moving very well. It was turning over very quickly and only required $500 to join. She said it would be an opportunity for me to make some quick money and to help raise my vibration and encourage me to stick with the original circle. I agreed to join and just as my friend anticipated it did turnover within a few days. But shortly after that my friend whom I had invited into the original circle sent me some articles.

    Some other women had written about circles stating they were illegal and how many many women were losing out. I called my friend who had invited me into the original circle and shared with her what my friend shared with me. She said those articles were all fear-based and that they were untrue and that I shouldn’t speak with my friend anymore about it and that she was acting out of fear. Eventually the friend I had invited decided to leave the circle . At this point I was beginning to come around.

    After researching some more it was apparent that the circles were illegal and many women were getting hurt. I was confused afraid and didn’t know what to do. I felt so stupid for falling for such a crock of lies that I was too ashamed to share even with my closest friends what I had done. I blamed myself for not seeing it for what it really was in the first place. There was a lot of stress on my marriage over the fear that we were going to lose a lot of money. I was ashamed for taking the money from the second circle that I joined. I knew the only way to make amends was to give the women back their money and so I contacted every single woman from the second circle I had joined and gave her money back. Some women were very grateful. Others didn’t respond to me at all. I then called my friend in tears whom I had invited acknowledging how right she was and terrified not knowing what to do. She suggested I ask for my money back. In hindsight it seems ridiculous that I didn’t automatically do that but there were so many mind games going on and one of the women I had given money to was close to leaving town. I felt I had no right to ask for my money back as I blamed myself for not seeing through all the lies. I was ashamed and humiliated. But the truth was I had joined under false pretenses. I had been fed a pack of lies that I wanted to believe and was too trusting to thoroughly look into it.

    I finally sent the articles my friend had sent me to the whole circle telling them I had given my money back to the other circle and that they had a right to ask for their money back. That did not go over well. I then tracked down the original woman who I had first givien money to and told her I wanted my money back. I then told the desert of the circle that I was still in that I was leaving and I wanted my money back. I told them both that I would take whatever means I needed to to get my money back. They tried to coerce me. They tried to manipulate me, they denied it was illegal but as soon as I threatened to take legal action they agreed to meet me to talk.

    When I met them all one of them wanted to do was to go on and on about all the good she had done with her money. It was sickening to listen to her being that Grass Valley is a small town it didn’t take long for me to find out that she had burned many women. After listening to about all of her egotistical bullshit I could take I got my money back and left.

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    • annadubbelwe says:

      Tracy, I would love to get in touch with you as I was very recently approached by a very lovely group of women, talking about supporting each other’s dreams and being a sisterhood. But $1400 is a lot of money, and doing my research I’ just now starting to realise the possible nature of the “sisterhood”. Though I don’t think the women know the financial risk. I just wanted to reach out to others who might have personal information for me, as I don’t want to get scammed :/ Would you be able to share your experience with me further? my email adress is a.west.brg@gmail.com. Many thanks in advance, and I wish you the best possible life for you!

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  3. Cassandra says:

    I totally hear that you had a terrible experience with Circle. And I get it, some Circles suck. But remember–some people just suck (vampirically, or otherwise). Like any experience, people bring all their crap and baggage to the table. Circle is no different.

    I’m a year and a half deep into my first Circle journey, and I love it! I still work full-time, and I’m not looking at this experience to give me cash so that I can just lay around all day. But it’s been really transformative, for me. I guess I’m cool with some of the New-agey girl talk (cuz I’m a kinda New-agey girl), though in my Circle, we share about a lot more than our friggin spirit animals 😉 We share all about our triumphs, our sorrows, things that make us laugh, things we’re trying to figure out in our lives. We don’t get all crazy about inviting–we let everything take it’s time. Whenever challenges come up, we’ve always communicated well and come up with a solution (which is then followed up on) that makes everyone happy. No drama, nobody bummed out. My Circle rocks because of the women in it–the fact that we genuinely care for everyone else, that we’re all willing to work on ourselves, and that none of us EVER pitch this as some kind of “get rich quick” scheme. Because a responsible Circle doesn’t push.

    Like I said, it bums me out to hear this experience tore apart your life. It sounds awful! But if those women screwed you over, it was THEM–not Circle, per se. Circle doesn’t ‘make’ anyone selfish or manipulative–but if someone already is selfish or manipulative, they’ll bring that to the table. And because of the group project aspect of Circle, you’ll see the shadow sides of some of the women (whether it’s being a slacker, taking things personally, being greedy, being controlling, etc). As you would in any group project, really. Circle isn’t for everyone (and it definitely wasn’t for you), but it can be really cool, if all of the women have high integrity–in fact, it can be all the things those ladies promised you–with the right group of women. I guess the ladies on your Circle turned out to be shady, in the end.

    I’m sorry it didn’t work out for you. It’s good to share your experience, so other women can make an informed choice! Likewise, I felt called to share my experience to shed some light on what a good Circle experience looks like.

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    • Gaslit says:

      Let me ask you this: how do you participate in something that has the classic 8-ball pyramid scheme structure and maintain your integrity? Of all the countless conversations I’ve had about Circle, no one has been able to answer this. If it’s really about the positive things that you want to claim, why structure it like a well-known fraudulent scheme?

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      • Cassandra says:

        ^ Classic pyramid schemes continuously funnel money to fixed entities who stay at the top. The people below them can never attain the level of abundance of those who joined before them. Circle doesn’t have any fixed entities. Whoever is Dessert has to step off when it’s her turn. So while some of the movement follows a similar pattern, the MAJOR difference is that, in the end, everyone has exactly the same opportunity.

        What you describe (when Circles merge or dissolve) is more a sustainability issue. This happens when Circles try to go at lighting speed (and a lot of them do), eliminating the number of women in the community who might be interested in joining (and I’ve heard a lot of stories about this happening). This leads to pushy or desperate inviting, which is totally gross. However, if sisters don’t get all pushy and freaky about making people invite as fast as is humanly possible (and yeah, I know that happens–especially in Cali), then growth happens sustainably. Circle (this very same unbroken lineage) has been going for as long as I’ve been alive, so apparently it *can* work long-term. Women who’ve had a good experience don’t go online and talk it up. They’re stoked, but generally keep it to themselves and close friends.

        I’ve been on Circle a year and a half, and I’m still in Entree. Which is totally fine, for me. Like I said, I enjoy the women, I enjoy the process, and I don’t push anyone or feel pushed myself. I’m not in this to “get rich quick.” Promising anyone that they will be in Dessert in 3 months of joining is just stupid. It *can* happen, but it most likely won’t. If ladies promised you that, they didn’t know what they were talking about.

        I read the stories posted, and I believe you all dealt with very real and valid conflicts. My feeling is that Circle will have to adapt and modify some of the it’s sub-cultures that have hurt women like you.

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    • Gaslit says:

      To make things a little easier for you, at current rates of growth world population doubled about every 53 (given the very generous assumption that no limiting factors will come into play.) What this means is that ultimately, for circles to remain sustainable, you wouldn’t make it to dessert for 50 years. How honest are you willing to be with the new sisters you’re trying to draw in about that fact?
      And, I’m sorry, but it is you who haven’t given thought or consideration to what I said. You failed to address my question: why, if this is such a positive thing, is it structured exactly like this classic fraud scheme:
      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme#The_.22Eight-Ball.22_model
      That is the structure, isn’t it? If it isn’t, exactly how is it different?

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    • lagustajulia says:

      seriously? if the underlying purpose and premise of a ‘circle’ is not to support but to exploit each other for one’s own benefit, yes, this is indeed the Circle, not “THEM” . . . that creates that culure

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    • annadubbelwe says:

      Cassandra, I would love to get in touch with you as I was very recently approached by a very lovely group of women, talking about supporting each other’s dreams and being a sisterhood. I’m thinking of joining, but I am doing my research now and it’s a bit scary to say the least. Would you be able to share your experience with me further? My email adress is a.west.brg@gmail.com. Many thanks in advance, and I wish you the best possible life for you!

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  4. Gaslit says:

    I’m sorry, this evasion about it not being a pyramid scheme fails. It is what’s more technically known as an endless chain (participation in which qualifies you for 5 in the pen in California.) It doesn’t matter if people step off, what matters is that it depends on an infinite supply of a finite resource, that being new people to join. It is by definition not sustainable. And of course the cultish nature of the Circles is in convincing yourselves and each other that somehow there will always be more people to join. This is not ‘abundance consciousness,’ It’s a denial of simple arithmetic. I’m sure if you care to you can find a breakdown of the inherently limits to the continued growth of this. So, please answer my original question: how can you maintain integrity and practice something that is inherently unsustainable while claiming otherwise?

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    • Cassandra says:

      There are some other improtant factors to include, such as the fact that many women go through Circle many times, or how the 6 month average ‘split’ truly isn’t sustainable (my current Circle hasn’t split in over a year, though–again–that’s fine with me). I’ve run the numbers, myself. And we *could* come up with an answer together, but I’m thinking you already have your mind made up, and what you really want is someone to prove wrong. I’ve now become an easy target for you to project the hurt you hold from your Circle experience upon. That’s fine (I guess I should have anticipated it), but since I’m not really feeling the intense charge that you are, I’m going to unsubscribe from any further updates to this conversation.

      For anyone else reading this, I want to be clear: Circle may very well NOT be for you. Just because I’ve had a good experience, doesn’t AT ALL mean you will have a good experience. But just because some women have had bad experiences, doesn’t necessarily mean you will have a bad experience. Use your own guidance and judgement about the women and the work, and don’t feel pressured one way or another. As in ALL things, trust yourself, do your research, and check in with your gut. May you all feel whole and abundant on all levels.

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      • Gaslit says:

        You came here to defend something, and are evading basic facts and blowing smoke, as is my experience with just about every conversation about Circle. You’re saying you’ve run the numbers but have yet to present any. Of course I have a charge, otherwise I wouldn’t be here. But I’ve been polite and respectful, and have merely asked you to explain certain aspects of circle, such as how you can claim it’s sustainable when it clearly isn’t, or how you can justify bringing new people into an illegal scheme, which it clearly is. You’ve evaded and obfuscated, and now you’re ducking out not because I have a charge, but because you have no good answers to my questions. All you’ve done is given proof to my assertion that this is dishonest and without integrity. As far as needing to prove you wrong, I don’t need to do that. That proof has been given many times in many places. You clearly are wrong, and again, have presented not one shred of evidence to the contrary.

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      • Cassandra says:

        Gaslit, I don’t feel that you’ve been at all polite or respectful. You’ve approached this conversation as a battle, each time accusing me of “blowing smoke,” “evasion,” ‘being out of integrity,” breaking the law, with an intensely snarky and belligerent attitude. That’s why this doesn’t feel like a conversation, to me. I’m not here to say that you’re wrong–I was simply presenting a different point of view. Nor do I need to attempt to “convert” you to my point of view. To each their own. (Geeze, I didn’t unsubscribe fast enough last time, but I’ll make sure to do so quickly before this falls into chaos, lol)

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      • Long Dance says:

        Seems to me that if women wished to have spiritual enlightening talks together on an ongoing basis they can do so without involving money to participate. For years I participated in full moon circles and also had a more intimate group of women, 13 of us usually, that met on new moons and took turns hosting and leading the circles – we had potlucks and everything was as free as our spirits. Closed circles of women of like mind for community and sisterhood, inspiration, fun and creativity and setting intentions and witnessing each others prayers and blossoming was all the treasure we each needed. I think this is why circles became popular, because we long for connection and have forgotten it is our birthright and is utterly free. These gifting circles are misnamed, it’s a progressive pyramid scheme disguised as a womans circle.

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      • RYAN SANSING says:

        Cassandra, I’m researching this phenomenon and I would be so interested to hear if your perspective has shifted at all. Has it? Do you still participate?

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      • wahkeenasitka says:

        Hi there Ryan, this is Sitka – the moderator of this website / blog. Most of the essays that were written were submitted anonymously and the original authors don’t have any way of responding. Do you have any questions for me?

        To answer your question, my perspective has not shifted at all. This is a really dangerous phenomenon. I would tell everyone I know to walk away and steer clear of gifting circles.

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      • Anna says:

        Hi Sitka, I am doing some research about this subject for my master’s project, I have some questions, would you be able to contact me?

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  5. Cassandra says:

    I don’t think you really gave much thought or consideration to what I wrote. Population is ever increasing, and Circles can–and have–grown in harmony with population growth. That’s simple arithmetic. Problems arise only when Circles attempt to grow ahead of the population. It’s kind of like comparing population growth assuming everyone had 2 kids by age 20, to what population growth would be if everyone had 2 kids starting at age 30. Two entirely different rates of growth.

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    • Gaslit says:

      Ok, I don’t know what the ideal split rate of circles would be, but starting with one circle and doubling the number of people involved at each split would require the participation of everyone on the planet after 33 splits. If circle splits every six months, this would happen after seventeen years. Even if the population doubled during those 17 years, you would only be able to do one more split, then have to wait for the population to double again AND require every one of those new people to participate. And so on for the next split. Given that the pool of people who have the money to put in, and are likely to involve themselves in this, is significantly smaller than the total population of the Earth, you would run out much sooner. Why, if you’re so down with arithmetic, don’t you calculate how often the circle could split given the possible inclusion of everybody on Earth and current projections for population growth? I’d like to see you back up what you assert with some math. I can certainly back up what I’m asserting.
      Also, what about that small matter of this being illegal? I know you all have spent a lot of energy and time convincing each other that it isn’t, but that’s just baseless. All the evasions about it being a gift and so on really wouldn’t hold up to legal scrutiny. Show me one case where they have. I can show you plenty where they haven’t. Again, how do you maintain integrity in representing this as legal when it clearly isn’t?

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  6. Gaslit says:

    You are evading, and you are breaking the law, and I’m not a bad person for pointing that out. But I’m clear that that is how the circle sisters play the game. Evade the real questions and start attacking the messenger. As in every single conversation I’ve had about Circle with those who’ve invested in it. This is your spiritual growth process? I started with politely asking you to explain a few things, which you have completely failed to do. All you’ve done is highlighted the corruption at the heart of this.

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  7. aspen says:

    I loved circle! I will join again someday. I grew so much from circle & am truly grateful! I traveled for 1 year & it was OMazing. Sorry to all those who had a bad time. Those fire rounds that happened 2 summers ago made some sisters wacky for sure & then a jaded vibe spread pretty heavily throughout the circle world. In my reflection, there is a balance within it all, the more that “expectation” was taken out of the equation the better on a whole it was & will continue to be. Blessings & I hope it all settles into a positive learning experience for those who were hurt in some way. Blessings. Aspen

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    • lagustajulia says:

      you had an OMazing time on the backs of “Sorry to all those who had a bad time”. Do you not get that? , This is what AHmazes me, the ego denial strategy deployed to attempt to absolve or distance from any intended or intended, consciously or not participation in classic, and as has been noted and for very good reason ILLegal pyramid scheme, so that this may “settle into a positive learning experience for those who were hurt in some way” . . . ? fanatastical twist in new age orwellian logic.

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  8. Kate says:

    I have never heard of “women’s gifting circles” until today. It’s obvious to anyone who takes the time to research the structure that it’s a classic pyramid scheme. What’s not so obvious is how the human mind creates elaborate constructs to live in denial. Or in some cases, it may be simple ignorance of the facts and a refusal to accept logic as it would be too threatening both emotionally and financially (Cassandra’s comments seem to suggest this). Bottom line, whether a circle grows slowly or quickly, and regardless of how so-called spiritual the members (a concept I find out-loud laughable), and regardless of how much the people involved trust one another – it’s still an illegal pyramid scheme. I feel bad for the people who get duped.

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  9. Sprotte says:

    Why do we have to play a money game to get together and heal each other? we need to pay to share our shadow side? We all feel its time for sisterhood. And like everything there is a spectrum. circles change communities, separating them through the hearts. It creates an elite, like a secret society within. Do that game and donate the price for a awesome project in your community you all agree on, that will be a game changer… Will it be still interesting? Circle sisters know how empowering it can be to listen to each other. That is the gift. the vessel has a big “polarizing footprint” with dash of secrecy since part is to judge people if they fit, not fit, whistleblower, protecting that circle that is in its core a pyramid. Creating those energies vibrates out, its not self contained, its radiating. Its not pure love that radiates. We all wanna connect and have friends and support each other. We can. Without a bait of such sort, there is way better to expeirence.

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